Megan Garcia, TIME’s 100 most influential in AI and mother of a 14-year-old teenager who committed suicide after developing a relationship with an AI chatbot, is on the frontline of critiquing companion chatbots and the rise of relational AI.

Watch her riveting conversation with Shoma Chaudhury, Founder of Lucid Lines & Founder-Director, SYNAPSE, as she goes behind the scenes of the personal tragedy that has become a global moment of reckoning, the harms that AI chatbots can unleash on children, and how resilience and suffering can pave the way for change.